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UFOs are real

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I'm just kidding

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[Laughter]

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and this is Jay and you're watching

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Witness

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there's only due respect to the Air

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Force and I believe that some of them

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will prove to be of interplanetary

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hello

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hey man how's it going it's good pretty

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pretty good pretty good how are you

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I'm good I'm good I uh we were just

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talking before the show and um

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you know I we were talking about

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um what what we were gonna do today

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uh we had some articles that we we can

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go through and we probably will go

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through and we're just talking about a

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couple couple shows we've been watching

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recently it was great our shows our own

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shows last week extraordinary yeah

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they're fantastic Chris aubek was great

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Gary Nolan was great

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um yeah people like it's meowing at the

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door and it sounds like a baby

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if if it's too loud or annoying just let

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me know you want to go get the cat okay

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I don't think you've ever shown the cat

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cat cat cat cat

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get ready upstairs

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I ran upstairs yeah that's that's BS all

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good one good one thank you

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okay so yeah I mean there's uh

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yeah what we were what we were talking

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about I think is uh is important

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the one thing

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that you were saying is that you know we

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were listening to uh a couple podcasts

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that that I listened to as well and

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there's there's quite of uh kind of uh

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depressing tone coming from people that

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kind of uh

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you know where it almost seems like uh

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people are starting to give up like uh I

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don't know this is all just stupid this

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is bull crap the government wins screw

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it

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yeah I um I mean and specifically I

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think I mean so just so that we can be

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as specific as possible I think I one

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like core example of this is um Ross

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coldheart's interview with Jay Anderson

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on Project Unity last night and I really

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enjoy Ross's work uh I was you emailing

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with them earlier today I I like them I

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like him as a guy I like him as as like

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a call like I I like the idea of

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thinking as a colleague oh my gosh can

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you imagine a guy like that

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um I mean it's great that he's in the

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um and he you know he has his ear to the

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ground with a lot of folks and he was

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saying like oh he's he's a little

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despondent because he gets as excited

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about this topic as we do and as a

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million people in the chat do and he was

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saying that like

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he's worried that that some of the kind

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of slow roll out

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disclosure plans that people always

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allude to

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um are are going to get put on the back

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burner uh right because essentially

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because people are are getting

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themselves into a war footing because

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not just Ukraine but um this new

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situation that's happening well not new

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but reignited between China and Taiwan

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where it seems that China is taking

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advantage of the facts of global

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instability to to prepare taking back

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that well if China's at War and Russia

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is at War and we're in a proxy war via

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Ukraine then you know then how is that

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not a World War essentially right well

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it is um I mean you know just because

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we're not using uh missiles or or we are

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actually you just our missiles in

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Ukraine but because we're not like

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directly really firing them at you know

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different countries ourselves doesn't

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mean that we're not at uh you know a

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certain type of war and it's been that

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way for a while right Russia invaded

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Crimea a long time ago I think it was

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nine years ago now that when when that

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um and China has been spying on us and

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doing all this this stuff for for a

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while and it's been getting you know

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pretty uh Brazen and and worse seemingly

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that's a real deal thing and yeah things

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are kind of coming to a head in Ukraine

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but I would say you know the the

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you know looking into this topic what

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what I can say from my own point of view

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and this isn't braiding anyone else's

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point of view or what they say or

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anything like that from my own point of

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view and from my own experience and from

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the document research that I've done I

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first one is the whole Slow Roll uh drip

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drip disclosure thing

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about uh different non-human entity on

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Earth or whatever I don't really think

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that's a real real thing I think that's

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kind of a way for people to cope with

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not getting uh the information they want

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when they want it

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everybody's you know getting all excited

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about this and all all this and it was

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depressing to watch everybody's reaction

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afterwards like what did you expect

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like your expectations are unreasonable

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because this is not a slow trip

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disclosure at least I don't think so I'm

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not on the inside I'm not talking to the

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inside people so you know I don't have

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anything to to add in that context and

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and I can't know more than people on the

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inside would know all I can tell you is

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what history tells us and what history

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tells us is people have been saying this

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for decades yeah you know and it never

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happens and it's personally I think

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that the majority of people in the

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government probably don't know what the

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heck the stuff is either and they've

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been covering it up because they don't

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know what it is you know

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um and they can't explain it and how do

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yeah but there's things that meet that

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idea as well like you know

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Havana syndrome they're basically coming

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out and saying they have no answers kova

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no answers so why couldn't they do that

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with UAP you know I don't know so well

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CIA is our as our limit right Chris

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the FBI in 2017.

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yeah you know covid it probably was a

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lab leak you know from the Wuhan lab and

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um and there was another report

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um that came out that was a private

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report that was leaked

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um where from our own government that

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was saying like yeah lab leak most

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likely and then Christopher Ray seems

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like he kind of got out ahead of the

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issue by by talking about that publicly

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you know it does there is a there is a

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you know it's it's challenging because

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we have to when we're dealing with a lot

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of these subjects there's such hot

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button issues partially because you know

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like we all had to deal with pandemic a

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lot of people lost their jobs people

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lost their loved ones people came out

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with you know long-term health issues

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all sorts of other stuff

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Devastation all over the place and it's

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and it's challenging because you know

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the way that propaganda works if you

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just say the words lab leak and like you

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know other you know certain people will

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listen to you and put you in a category

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and that happened for years yeah yeah

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room or something like that even though

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the director of the FBI just you know

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the time right I live in like I live in

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were there were ambulances outside all

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the time it was just constant there was

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just yeah you know people were being

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day all night you know like like alarms

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like four in the morning and and so

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there was no question around here that

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like yeah this is real

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you know what I mean right because like

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I had there's like for me like I'm in a

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suburb or whatever else I have to gauge

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it by is what are they telling me in the

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news or what are my friends saying or

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whatever I haven't gotten yeah what's

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the real deal but you're seeing it

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firsthand up close in a big congested

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City what it looks like yeah yeah and

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and so like you know there's it reminds

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me you know it reminds me of being in I

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know these situations where and it's

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also it reminds me and in general with

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like the disclosure issues the balloon

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UAP issues recently just in the this

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topic in general that you know a lot of

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the audience you and I ourselves have

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had our own anomalous experiences and

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when you have had

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when you've lived through situations

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like that when you've lived through

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traumatic experiences it it when they

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come back up in situations like this it

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can be really triggering right and like

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it's just the reality of the situation

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you know yeah and um and there are a lot

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of people that

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um you know really need you know it

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takes a lot of time as you get older to

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work on your triggers to work on the

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impulses that you have when something

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comes up that that you don't want to

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think about you don't want to face you

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don't want to deal with right and um

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and along the lines of what Ross was

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talking about you know the frustration

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um I've seen people

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um privately you know in private

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conversations people that are in the

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field that

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um that desperately want to or have

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decided to like take a break for a while

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um because they got so deflated no pun

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intended from that whole news story a

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few weeks ago what's these with these

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UAP issues and stuff like that and and

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and I I can totally understand it sure

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from from like a whole bunch of

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different angles one angle that like you

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know if you had you have a situation

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where the president is going up and he's

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talking about something unidentified in

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the sky you know it's it plays on a lot

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of people's triggers right and then you

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all you and then you have like a bunch

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of like super obvious like if not lies

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you know you've got propaganda and you

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got kind of double speak you know like

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oh it's about the size of car actually

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we don't know what it was oh it was a

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science balloon but you can't see

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anything for it oh we're going out to

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find the evidence you know we have

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search teams out there and then you know

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Ross was saying last night like I you

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know I was talking to people that were

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in Alaska like right where it came it

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supposedly came down and they said that

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there's no trace of anybody out there no

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helicopters right no search teams nobody

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even checked into you know the hotels

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around there you know they chat you know

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people checking and like there's no

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trace of anybody in these remote areas

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and you know and I so I understand you

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know there's and he was saying like you

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know what where's he and Jay were saying

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like well where's the answers here like

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who's pressing for the answers here and

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you know a lot of the implication being

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that that um that the the you know the

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media is super complacent which

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everybody knows they are every everybody

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knows that right and so and then and we

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can talk about why that is people often

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say oh it's project Mockingbird they're

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all controlled by the CIA or whatever

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this is all that's all like incredibly

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like over simplistic and superficial

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another thing to think about and with

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regard to the media is like most of the

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media are posted up in towns like this

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right where rent costs roughly three

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thousand dollars a month people get paid

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like three thousand two hundred dollars

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a month and then you know what they're

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gonna do they're gonna do whatever they

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need to do to keep their job you know

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like in most situations they're going to

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do what Their senior producer tells them

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it's not as if everybody that works in

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media is some card carrying agent like

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most of them are just desk jockeys that

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are like trying to pay their rent in

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Brooklyn or whatever you know what I

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mean very true and you have to kind of

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like if you want to gauge how they're

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going to treat this subject you just

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have to look at how they treat other

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subjects right uh yeah most of which and

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it's different for the different

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channels which first of all is a huge

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red flag that neither of them are

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actually covering the news they're both

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just shoveling propaganda on the

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American people to better their side's

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chances at winning of an election uh

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winning an election or making the other

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side look bad like that that's their

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whole real goal to be quite honest with

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you uh and then you look at other things

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like Havana syndrome like something came

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out about that today where they said we

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have no evidence of a foreign adversary

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with this stuff right and these people

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talking about it on the news don't even

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question anything you know they don't

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say well how do these people have brain

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scans that show damage

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right and they don't have an answer for

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it and they can't say it's a weapon or

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anything like that and then they

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actually

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facilitate the excuses given which is it

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was a variety of reasons from the

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weather to this condition here that all

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culminated to make this happen there's

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actual brain damage there's scans with

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brain damage and nobody talks about it

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Gary Nolan himself said the CIA gave him

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a hundred cases 90 of which all fell

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into the Havana syndrome file well how

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can he know that just based on brain

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scans because they show damage

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you know all similar damage so I mean

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it's like the the the media has to just

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be you know how Gary Nolan's saying like

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Mick West doesn't get the you know a

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part in the conversation anymore the

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media doesn't either as far as their

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opinion you know and and we need we need

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them uh to to help with this stuff but

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on the other hand would it even be taken

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seriously if the media covered it

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because I don't think anything they

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covered should really be taken seriously

401
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you know so but but I get it it's like

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but we're also in this uh area where

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people are looking more to like Twitter

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and YouTube and podcasts for actual news

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right yeah I think a lot of the reason

406
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people are on social media so much is to

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stay updated because the news can't do

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that you know but

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um you know there are some positives

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um with with the UFO stuff but I mean if

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we did we've discussed this before like

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you can't link your

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I just think it's unhealthy to to link

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yourself to any hopes of a disclosure

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from our government with UAP I think

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it's unhealthy and unrealistic I agree

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with you I 100 agree with you yeah

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Define your own route you know your own

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personal journey and through meditation

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or whatever it is and you have to be

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okay knowing that you may never have the

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answer you want I agree with you as well

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about that I mean it's like

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you know it's it's it's like a lot of

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things it's so like

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you know there there's an aspect to it

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that reminds me of

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you know when we're young we're we're

429
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taught that you know if you try hard

430
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enough you can do anything you can

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achieve anything and what and there's

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there's you know there's oh there's a

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lot of Truth to that and then there are

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also situations where you know people

435
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get settled with debt people end up

436
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having kids people get sidelined in

437
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their careers for you know Petty

438
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interpersonal politics at the office all

439
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sorts of situations like that and and

440
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you know it reminds me of like you know

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all the like I went to art school and

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then I I went to film school and then I

443
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started working as a TV producer right

444
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and like I I and I still paint you know

445
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what I mean I don't paint to because

446
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like I want to be a famous painter I

447
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paint because I like painting you know

448
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what I mean and I think yeah and I think

449
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that that's that's like

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in a lot of ways that's that's the kind

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of Route that's that's e that's

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the most helpful totally in terms of

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like just connect yourself from any

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expectations and enjoy the journey yeah

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right yeah right

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and um and I I so you know in that way I

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think that there's a lot there and I you

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know I there's so much that we can do in

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terms of like re-routing our

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expectations and also learning a lot you

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know there is a lot that we can learn

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about these Mysteries by going back to

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the literature by go by going back to

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the source and looking at it from a

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bunch of our own different angles and

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not and not worrying about like what

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Marco Rubio had for breakfast or

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whatever right and what whether that's

469
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going to impact is is you and any

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decision making or something like that

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you know the kind of like the the the

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the weird aspect of this too is this all

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could kind of be set up for a big

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deflation right like put everything onto

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this government thing have these people

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say these crazy things have them you

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know study it for a long time to come

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out and say there's nothing here folks

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you know yeah

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is is what everybody fears too you know

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but it's it's important for people to

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know that UAP UFOs whatever the [\h__\h] you

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want to call them are real they exist

484
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they're unidentified they're in the air

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we don't know what they are I've seen

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them with my own two eyes a couple times

487
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and I have not seen a replication of

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that anywhere online in any literature

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in any navy video any explanation from

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anyone on what it is it's real and

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that's something I have to live with

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for the rest of my life and I probably

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won't know what it is and it puts me in

494
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this awkward spot of I don't know how to

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live I don't know who to talk to I don't

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know if I should care about something

497
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that's bigger than myself or if I

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shouldn't it feels silly not to but it

499
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also feels silly searching for something

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I may never get answers on you know this

501
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is very hard situation but it's real and

502
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no matter what daddy is Gary Nolan's

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calls them the government tells you

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about balloons or what's Chinese or

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what's this it doesn't matter it's there

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is something out there that is real and

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you have to know that for yourself and

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have confidence in that and not rely on

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other people to make you feel okay with

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your thoughts

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yeah I agree and when I I think one

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thing is that when I when I think about

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what Ross was talking about I.E like

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people trying to pump the brakes on on

515
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disclosure rollout efforts

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um you know to make way for World War

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III or whatever

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um the potentiality of World War III I

519
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yeah I mean a it's a cop-out to me and B

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like if I'm reminded of what Ronald

521
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Reagan said in front of us right right

522
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where you said like like imagine if we

523
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knew about some other you know other

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civilization we like maybe we could all

525
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pull pull ourselves together and you

526
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know that's often interpreted as like a

527
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new world order situation or something

528
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like that uh globalism yada yada but

529
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like on the other hand I think you know

530
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I there's a lot of points of of Ronald

531
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Reagan's uh presidency that I completely

532
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think were a massive failure like

533
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trickle-down economics for example uh

534
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the Star Wars program all sorts of

535
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situations uh his his like completely

536
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ludicrous handling of the AIDS crisis

537
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and his homophobia there are so many

538
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things that are super problematic about

539
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Ronald Reagan he was great as an actor

540
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especially when he was paired with a

541
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monkey but as a president not so not so

542
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amazing well like

543
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but um

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but uh you know like I think that he did

545
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have a decent point though in terms of

546
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like in terms of uniting people and like

547
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maybe it's maybe it's also like a

548
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fantasy but you know I think a lot of

549
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,480
people see a lot of situations coming to

550
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:05,280
a head you know people talk about it all

551
00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:06,780
the time gosh it seems like there's a

552
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:10,100
lot of stuff coming through a head yeah

553
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:12,600
and then and then you think to yourself

554
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:15,780
like is this the kind of like complete

555
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:18,659
non-sequitur left field like

556
00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:22,080
a thing that could like completely knock

557
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,059
people in the head and go like oh [\h__\h]

558
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:26,159
like I'm completely focused on the wrong

559
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:29,460
wrong stuff right now like in terms of

560
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,140
like Global instability or something

561
00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:33,840
like that you know like maybe it maybe

562
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,179
it could do to do something towards

563
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:37,919
getting people to pump the brakes on

564
00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:40,140
killing each other so easily

565
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:42,659
um I think we need something to do that

566
00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:45,240
right I mean

567
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:48,539
one nuclear bomb by one of these

568
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,100
countries

569
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,320
is like that's it man

570
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:54,720
that's it you know like and why did we

571
00:24:00,529 --> 00:23:57,000
even freaking create these stupid things

572
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:00,539
like who the hell did why would you do

573
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:03,960
that you know any secret Access program

574
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:05,940
that you have should have been geared

575
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:08,280
towards making sure that what this

576
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:10,860
person knows is possible doesn't get out

577
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:13,080
to anyone else ever

578
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,500
you know right like and he doesn't make

579
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:18,720
it nobody else makes it like

580
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,260
it's just disgusting and in so many ways

581
00:24:27,649 --> 00:24:24,360
like uh we deserve what we get because

582
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:27,659
it make it stupid decisions uh off of uh

583
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:30,600
like greed power decisions and and all

584
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:32,520
that kind of stuff you know

585
00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:35,880
um it's uh yeah it's a shame but I mean

586
00:24:40,810 --> 00:24:38,100
I think uh like the the war thing or the

587
00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:40,820
war footing is a complete

588
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:42,419
complete

589
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,820
cop-out if these people are saying this

590
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,620
like on the inside that Ross is talking

591
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:49,440
to or or has or whatever if that's what

592
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,960
they there's always freaking something

593
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:54,000
dude there's always something there's

594
00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:56,520
always gonna be something just spit it

595
00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:58,380
out and why don't they spit it out I

596
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,419
believe because they don't know

597
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,360
that's what I think you know well yeah

598
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:06,120
but and I mean but I also don't know

599
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,100
that to be true but that but that's what

600
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:10,679
I think so yeah and it's all there you

601
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:12,600
know there are other challenges too I

602
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:13,440
mean

603
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:16,799
you know I like I want to make sure that

604
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:18,900
I I don't wake up tomorrow feeling like

605
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:21,240
I I got put in the microwave like a

606
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:22,919
baked potato or something like that I'm

607
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:25,320
half kidding but like I'm three quarters

608
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:28,140
kidding I'm like 90 getting but like I

609
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:31,559
you know one of the things with that you

610
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:33,299
know to kind of put that issue to bed

611
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,820
for a little bit uh at the outset is

612
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,400
that people get so excited about you

613
00:25:44,049 --> 00:25:40,559
know you know Daddy government telling

614
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:44,059
us that you know the reality of of

615
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:47,220
extraterrestrials or or or recovered

616
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:49,020
craft and all these other things and

617
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:51,240
there's been like a lot of you know

618
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,340
heavy duty behind the scenes promising

619
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:55,679
about about some of that information

620
00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:57,059
coming to light in terms of

621
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,100
whistleblowers totally sorts of stuff

622
00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:01,200
like that and and you know maybe that'll

623
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,059
happen maybe that won't happen you know

624
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:05,760
what I mean and um and one of the things

625
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:09,000
that's really difficult about it is and

626
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:10,980
again before kind of putting it to bed

627
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:14,580
is that that people that that have like

628
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,480
really challenging associations in terms

629
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:21,360
of like where they work or who their

630
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:24,120
associations are associated with

631
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,039
um even they're frustrated for example

632
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,840
like Eric Weinstein I was watching him

633
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:29,760
on Joe Rogan the other day right and

634
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:32,760
this guy you know super you know

635
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:36,059
you know this you know he's he's like I

636
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,580
somebody that I know um who I shouldn't

637
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,140
name called him like the smartest stupid

638
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:41,760
guy he's ever seen

639
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:43,559
um he's like a really really brilliant

640
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:47,159
no definitely namu said that that would

641
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:49,080
be a really good idea yeah I know right

642
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,279
but um but like um but you know he he

643
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:55,679
essentially works for for a guy named

644
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:58,020
Peter Thiel that who

645
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,380
um is whose specialty is basically

646
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,720
um you know data scraping you know he's

647
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:05,700
he kind of runs he runs a bunch of these

648
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:07,740
companies uh who I shouldn't name

649
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:10,559
because it'll get tagged in in like uh

650
00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:13,620
in in the YouTube uh transcript of what

651
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:15,419
we're talking about right now but you

652
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:17,880
know it's it it's it's essentially the

653
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:19,980
thing where whereby like everybody from

654
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:21,539
the government to Target knows what

655
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:23,580
you're talking about and like why they

656
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:25,020
should be like advertising Teenage

657
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,659
Mutant Ninja Turtles or like kid like

658
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:30,240
kids backyard tents or moisturizer to

659
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:32,760
you um you know five minutes after f

660
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:35,940
after you said it right and um

661
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:36,900
and

662
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:43,860
complaining about how he's kind of been

663
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,860
brought into the situation along with a

664
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:48,240
few other kind of prominent

665
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:51,240
intellectuals where it's like okay you

666
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,600
know we need your help in rolling out

667
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:56,880
this this topic to the general public

668
00:28:01,149 --> 00:27:59,400
right right we need your help and if

669
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:01,159
you'd help if you do this with us

670
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:05,100
eventually we're going to take you and

671
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,900
Eric Weinstein said we'll take you to

672
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,159
Colorado Springs you named Colorado

673
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:10,080
Springs and he was like We'll have to

674
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:11,640
like blindfold you we'll take you

675
00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:13,020
somewhere and we'll show you something

676
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:15,419
that you will hardly even believe and

677
00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:17,220
you know there's like very strong but

678
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:18,779
clear implications about what that would

679
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,740
be right

680
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:21,600
I mean you know there's a small list

681
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:23,940
anyway I can fit them they don't they

682
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:26,460
don't do anything to

683
00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:27,059
um

684
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:30,659
they don't do anything to flower uh to

685
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:33,779
water that flower right it's they don't

686
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,960
dangle they don't give them anything to

687
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:39,600
to keep him invested you know they're

688
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,700
not like okay we get your impatience so

689
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:44,220
you know here's this or check this out

690
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:46,020
they don't do anything like that they

691
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:49,200
just keep saying that to him so so what

692
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:50,760
would be the reason for that you know

693
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,260
just to get them to talk about it in

694
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,240
public I guess I mean I don't I don't

695
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:57,299
know I mean well well one thing is that

696
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:03,590
there it seems that there are some

697
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:05,880
serious psychological operations going

698
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:08,100
on and I think that that's that's like

699
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,340
almost completely you know that's that's

700
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:12,960
kind of like the one of the many

701
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,299
elephants in the room one elephant is

702
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:17,760
that that prominent people are getting

703
00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:21,480
used in situations like this in kind of

704
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,140
obvious weird ways right and this guy

705
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:26,880
this was the other one Sam Harris was

706
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,260
the other one and both of these people

707
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,520
are known to be extraordinarily bright

708
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:34,320
extraordinarily egotistical people

709
00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:37,380
right with like blazingly obvious

710
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:40,140
personality flaws okay

711
00:29:44,830 --> 00:29:43,320
and then you promise them something and

712
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:44,840
then you don't do it

713
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:46,620
what do you think is going to happen

714
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:48,779
what do you think's gonna happen they're

715
00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:55,070
yeah they're gonna go bitching about it

716
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:57,659
so you know like uh like from the top of

717
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,980
every Hilltop that they can find

718
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:00,960
absolutely and that's that's what

719
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:04,620
Weinstein does like uh just to to kind

720
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,299
of uh talk a little bit about your

721
00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:08,159
psychological operations I mean because

722
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:09,779
this is something that I've that I've

723
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:13,200
hit uh pretty hard for for a while and I

724
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:15,899
know it's vague but uh one of the things

725
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:18,419
that the CIA was most interested in when

726
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,480
they first talked about UFOs in 1952 was

727
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,059
the ability to use it for psychological

728
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:26,399
warfare offensively or defensively and

729
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:28,020
how it could be used against them and

730
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:29,880
how it could be created predicted or

731
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,860
controlled to be used for that and these

732
00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:33,120
are all words straight from their

733
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:34,860
documents so I'm not paraphrasing or

734
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,159
making it up you know so you know I

735
00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:40,080
always have that in the back of my mind

736
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,899
because that's such a that's such a

737
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:45,360
selfish

738
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:47,159
um thing to think about when you're

739
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,320
confronted was a mystery like this is

740
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:52,320
how can we use it to control other

741
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:54,779
people and make them do what we want you

742
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:57,240
know and I think that's what we're we're

743
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:59,700
seeing some of that now I believe and I

744
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:01,080
don't think

745
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,240
um that one person is doing it versus

746
00:31:08,029 --> 00:31:05,279
another person or whatever I think

747
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:08,039
they're a one flaw that humans have in

748
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:12,059
general and and in the ufology is the

749
00:31:17,470 --> 00:31:14,100
inability to realize that multiple

750
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:17,480
things can be true at one time you know

751
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:22,200
that UAP can be real that Chinese is the

752
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:24,120
China could have advanced Tech that

753
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,059
lawyers in our sensitive area space you

754
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,700
know that Lou Elizondo could be actually

755
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,980
pushing for a real disclosure and have

756
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:33,600
some of his own

757
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,640
um you know

758
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,740
um his own benefits of why he's doing

759
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,320
that that aren't public you know that

760
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:42,600
there's there can be multiple things

761
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,179
that are true at the same time you know

762
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:47,279
and we'll be able to fail to realize

763
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,039
that wanna one of

764
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:52,559
and to kind of hit that point home and

765
00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:54,419
use some

766
00:32:03,409 --> 00:31:59,100
um some actual UAP news right to hit

767
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:05,810
and the the point that I'm talking about

768
00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:08,340
really is just to

769
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:11,580
to show how

770
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:15,480
there are different narratives pressing

771
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:20,700
so hard right now on this topic and were

772
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:22,020
you talking about the uh Washington

773
00:32:29,389 --> 00:32:25,620
examiner article yeah sure that one like

774
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:29,399
so so we have the the first thing that I

775
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:30,059
would

776
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:31,740
kind of want to talk about is an

777
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:35,940
anonymous sources okay all right so we

778
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:38,460
have uh Jimmy Corbell George Knapp

779
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,399
coming out with stuff and you know their

780
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:44,460
their last episode of their it was like

781
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:47,820
they threw everything at the wall like

782
00:32:52,669 --> 00:32:50,100
this secret program was run by this guy

783
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,679
at EG and G at this time and I was told

784
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:54,960
this and I was told that in all of it

785
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,380
but none of it can be corroborated right

786
00:33:02,330 --> 00:33:01,020
and I'm not saying it's not true but

787
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,340
we're not hearing it from the person

788
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:04,200
we're hearing I heard this from this

789
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:05,880
person I heard this from that person

790
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,659
just like uh Jacques valet's Forbidden

791
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,000
Science volume Five it's full of stuff

792
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:14,159
like that right

793
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:15,899
and I'm not saying it's not true I'm

794
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:18,120
saying just that's what's being said you

795
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,100
know so and then we have Ross coldheart

796
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,799
coming out and saying that uh the Navy

797
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:24,960
ratted out the Air Force for covering up

798
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:29,039
UFOs right you know

799
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:30,419
like people are just saying whatever

800
00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:32,460
they want and I'm not saying it's not

801
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,019
true

802
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:35,840
but I'm just telling you what's being

803
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,100
thrown out there which is some of the

804
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:41,039
more major stuff that we've heard since

805
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:43,320
this has started a few years ago right

806
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:45,240
so then we have all that and then we

807
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:46,500
have

808
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,799
okay slow down everybody it's Chinese

809
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:52,559
right Washington examiner you know he's

810
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,419
not exactly saying that but what he's

811
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:57,840
saying in this article and

812
00:34:02,269 --> 00:33:59,580
um this is not one that I included in

813
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:02,279
the details but of the the video or

814
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:04,019
description but I will because it came

815
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,600
up so last minute before the show but

816
00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:08,820
in this article

817
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:11,339
and I'll post it in the chat so you can

818
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:13,080
have it right now

819
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:13,800
um

820
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:16,020
I respect Tom Rogan I think he's a good

821
00:34:20,409 --> 00:34:17,700
journalist

822
00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:23,570
and here he goes saying that he's told

823
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:25,940
by guess what

824
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:29,940
Anonymous sources right that the UAP

825
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:33,060
task force and Jay Stratton were

826
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,500
covering up

827
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,200
uh chat that some of these things were

828
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:40,320
Chinese surveillance stuff in order to

829
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,780
push extraordinary UFO uh encounters due

830
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:47,099
to their

831
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:47,879
um

832
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:52,080
their bias right right yeah which none

833
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,060
of that makes any sense

834
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,280
to me and then Jay scratton actually

835
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:57,839
comes out and says

836
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,420
he commented in this article and said no

837
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:02,940
that's not the case at all right

838
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,480
so let's go backwards if we're to only

839
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,359
use people that speak on the record

840
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:11,280
we have Jay Stratton

841
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,079
saying no right it's not the case and

842
00:35:17,329 --> 00:35:14,640
whoever is telling you that is trying to

843
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,339
misinforming the American public

844
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:19,200
yeah but how is anyone supposed to make

845
00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:20,940
sense of any of this when no one gives

846
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:23,400
sources and like I could literally come

847
00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:26,220
out and say tomorrow like I got a phone

848
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:27,720
call

849
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,119
and I can't tell you who it was from

850
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:33,180
right but

851
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:38,040
aliens are coming to invade planet Earth

852
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:40,619
yeah three months

853
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:42,900
you know believe me fine but it's

854
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:48,589
and why should that be treated any

855
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:49,980
different than what anyone else is

856
00:35:54,349 --> 00:35:51,060
saying

857
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:54,359
well um can I can I read the just so

858
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:56,099
that we can contact you so that we can

859
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:58,619
ground what we're talking about a little

860
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,339
bit

861
00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:01,440
um do you mind if I read like two of the

862
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,820
setup or

863
00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:04,200
um paragraphs from this Washington

864
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:07,500
examiner yeah go ahead okay so the so

865
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:09,180
the headline for those that are watching

866
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:11,460
from home Congress told of likely

867
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:13,500
Chinese spyballoon threat as early as

868
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:16,500
2019 by Tom Rogan all right and this was

869
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,180
published just earlier today just a

870
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,940
couple hours ago uh as and it starts as

871
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:23,520
far back as 2019 Navy officials briefed

872
00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:24,900
certain members of the Congressional

873
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,339
armed services and intelligence

874
00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:28,320
committees that some strange UFOs had

875
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:30,300
strong potential to be conventional

876
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,339
Counter Intelligence related security

877
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,280
sets the Washington examiner has learned

878
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:37,500
Congress was also told repeatedly that

879
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:38,760
the primary purpose of Navy

880
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,339
investigations was not to look for UFOs

881
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:43,980
but to address flight safety concerns

882
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:46,859
a number of personnel speaking to the

883
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:48,839
Washington examiner on the condition of

884
00:36:54,349 --> 00:36:51,599
anonymity say that they believe that the

885
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:54,359
leadership of the now defunct UAP task

886
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:56,760
force co-opted reports of what were

887
00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:59,520
likely foreign Espionage tools involving

888
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:01,560
small balloons or drones in order to

889
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:03,660
characterize them as extraordinary for

890
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:06,300
purposes of personal bias they believe

891
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:08,099
that military flight Crews were

892
00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:09,960
sometimes ill-served by the manner in

893
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:12,060
which their witness reporting was later

894
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,460
presented by the UAP task force as

895
00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:16,800
evidence of truly extraordinary rather

896
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:18,359
than more conventionally explainable

897
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:20,820
UFOs belonging to a foreign government

898
00:37:26,089 --> 00:37:23,880
now yeah I agree with you like you know

899
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:26,099
this you know that nothing about this

900
00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:28,020
article makes

901
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,740
um conventional sense in a lot of ways

902
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,839
especially you know okay it's Tom Rogan

903
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:35,700
he likes kind of dipping his toe into

904
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:38,339
the oap space and then he and then he

905
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,619
puts out something like this you know

906
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,960
saying like sources tell me that you

907
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:44,880
know that that this was personal bias or

908
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:47,820
something like that and okay

909
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,060
you know I think one thing to to to

910
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:53,760
mention here before like before we go

911
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,220
further into this conversation is that

912
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:59,520
you're dealing with a bunch of people

913
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,099
including Tom Rogan including Jay

914
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:04,160
Stratton even

915
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,300
that have worked or currently work

916
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,359
as PR agents or essentially like

917
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:14,640
public-facing members

918
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,980
uh representing defense contractors

919
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:19,200
right

920
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:21,900
I mean you know like Tom Rogan didn't he

921
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:24,780
work for Jane's defense Weekly right and

922
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:27,960
like and so this is like this is he was

923
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,320
like a journalist for you know

924
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,119
essentially like like not just defense

925
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,960
contractors but but but PR firms that

926
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,880
work with defense contractors this is

927
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:40,800
the this is their big this is their big

928
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,800
publication and then you know he's he's

929
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,320
you know starting a kind of a pissing

930
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,960
match and with Jay Stratton who works

931
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:50,700
for radiance Technologies which is

932
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:53,220
another defense contractor the and and

933
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,040
both of these people you know are are

934
00:39:00,849 --> 00:38:59,040
completely surrounded in in their

935
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:00,859
professional and their personal lives

936
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,320
assuming with people that make their

937
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,720
money by getting contracts from the

938
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:08,640
federal government for secret projects

939
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,839
right yeah and and so like where like

940
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:15,119
you have to completely watch like who

941
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,859
Butters their bread who brought it

942
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:18,240
Butters any of these people's bread

943
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,060
right and like if you're gonna if you're

944
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,280
just gonna sit and and like this is why

945
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:25,619
people get frustrated this is why Ross

946
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:28,619
is sad you know we have to work on

947
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:36,109
and part of that is don't is don't like

948
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:40,920
is to not to not get like snowed out to

949
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:43,380
not to not lose yourself by just

950
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:47,280
listening to these Spin Doctors you know

951
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,140
what I mean even even if they're Spin

952
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,599
Doctors that you like you know what I

953
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,000
mean because that's that's what these

954
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:55,680
people that's like what this whole

955
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:58,020
operation is about this is like this is

956
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,500
like how cable news happen is that is

957
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:03,780
that you know people figured out that if

958
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,420
you have two teams of Spin Doctors that

959
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:07,920
are yelling at each other all the time

960
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:10,380
and they represent opposite sides but

961
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:11,940
they're yeah they're both kind of like

962
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:14,960
paid for by similar by similar people

963
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:17,640
then you know people get lost in a fog

964
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:19,500
of War right totally

965
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:22,619
and um and so that I think is exactly

966
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,180
what's happening in a situation like

967
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:26,400
that article where it's like in some

968
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,440
ways it's like listening to Richard Doty

969
00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:30,180
or something like that you're better off

970
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:31,619
not even looking at it in the first

971
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:34,680
place totally very very tamed down but

972
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:35,579
yeah

973
00:40:42,609 --> 00:40:39,780
but essentially

974
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:42,619
the same the same thing right totally

975
00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:45,660
and yeah and no one has a source that'll

976
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:47,339
go on record and say any of this [\h__\h]

977
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:50,339
you know which which is to me when that

978
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:52,020
happens

979
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:54,180
um I treat it like a sports fan right

980
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:56,339
like I'm watching the game

981
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:58,740
right but none of the teams playing are

982
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:01,500
my home team so I'm not really invested

983
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:03,780
in it but I'm still watching because I

984
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:07,500
like football yeah yeah yeah so that's

985
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:09,540
how this works for me like I'm watching

986
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,900
this happen but I'm not gonna go invest

987
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:15,119
my emotions or anything in a story

988
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,940
somebody says that has no proof or uses

989
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:19,680
an anonymous source I'm not going to do

990
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:23,099
it and trust me I want to because

991
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:25,740
I've seen stuff that is really weird to

992
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:27,240
me and I would like to have an

993
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,220
explanation for it and it would be very

994
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:31,320
easy for me

995
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,180
um well actually very difficult for me

996
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:35,880
personally but other people

997
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:39,060
um it would be very easy for them to

998
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:41,640
latch on to some of this stuff to make

999
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:43,859
them feel better about it you know yeah

1000
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:47,700
like okay here's the anonymous source

1001
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:49,619
that says that um you know

1002
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,300
interdimensionals are flying around our

1003
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:53,640
airspace I believe it

1004
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:56,760
I'm going with it I'm investing it you

1005
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,740
know because it makes you feel better or

1006
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:01,440
whatever but but you just can't

1007
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:02,160
um

1008
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:04,680
oh you know and I kind of draw on my my

1009
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:07,260
history my like work history too with

1010
00:42:10,849 --> 00:42:09,060
this stuff like I've been a manager in

1011
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:10,859
the workforce since I work started

1012
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:13,560
working you know like um worked for a

1013
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:15,000
couple of years was promoted to a

1014
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:16,500
manager ever since I've always been a

1015
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,540
manager so we're talking you know 25

1016
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:20,160
years of management experience or

1017
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:22,320
whatever

1018
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:25,140
um maybe a little less but if so if an

1019
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,540
employee came up to me and said that uh

1020
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:29,280
you know such and such

1021
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:32,280
did this to this person

1022
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,180
right do I just go up to such and such

1023
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:38,640
and say you're fired or write them up no

1024
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,220
I don't do that you know because I don't

1025
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:43,200
have proof of that say okay I'm gonna

1026
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:44,820
take your story I'll talk to this other

1027
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,260
person

1028
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,960
but if no evidence comes out

1029
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,060
I can't do anything on it you know if

1030
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:53,040
you want to prove something to me you

1031
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,079
have to show me an example you know and

1032
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,540
if you can't do that I can't act on it

1033
00:43:02,569 --> 00:42:59,880
and it's no different here you know with

1034
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:02,579
like if you can't show me proof or if

1035
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,880
you can't if the guy in charge doesn't

1036
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,980
come out on record and say it from the

1037
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:09,839
government like I can't I can't believe

1038
00:43:14,089 --> 00:43:12,180
it and even then I you know I can only

1039
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:14,099
have believe it because they work for

1040
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,260
the government and

1041
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:18,960
their job is to lie pretty much yeah so

1042
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:21,720
yeah and obfuscate truth so

1043
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:23,400
yeah it's very difficult and I can see

1044
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,079
why people are so

1045
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:27,839
um disappointed or whatever and but you

1046
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:29,579
know you gotta just take a step back you

1047
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:32,099
gotta emotionally detach from this stuff

1048
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:34,680
it's just not healthy you know it's true

1049
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:37,740
or and or you know find find another

1050
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:42,839
tether right I mean like yeah great

1051
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,500
like I mean this weekend I did like you

1052
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:48,540
know I take I I I'm in a lot of book

1053
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,339
clubs right I run a book club on the

1054
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:52,440
experiencer group we do UAP book club

1055
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,180
with Priscilla on her channel on our

1056
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,160
Quantum with Channel about once a month

1057
00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:58,500
you know and um

1058
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:01,859
and like this this last weekend we

1059
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,880
covered uh the supernatural by Whitney

1060
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:07,680
right it's a really really great book

1061
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,099
and it outlines a lot it's actually it's

1062
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,440
fantastic it was also edited by Mitch

1063
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:16,319
Horowitz which makes it even that oh

1064
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:17,940
like a level cooler than it already was

1065
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,940
in some ways but uh it's you know in

1066
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:22,800
large form it's it's about like how do

1067
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,619
you think how do you look at your

1068
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:27,599
anomalous experiences or how do you look

1069
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:30,900
at you know the the the the anomalous

1070
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:33,000
studies the Paranormal UAP issues in

1071
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:34,740
general like what are different like

1072
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:36,540
strategies for how to think about it

1073
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:40,319
without going crazy and and and like and

1074
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,560
and without kind of like getting hung up

1075
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:45,119
on like the government military

1076
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,619
disclosure angle and stuff like that

1077
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,960
this whole book is basically about that

1078
00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:51,119
issue about like how do you go about it

1079
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:54,140
without without losing your mind and um

1080
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:57,780
yeah it's great you know and and they're

1081
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,819
they're are all sorts of wonderful

1082
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,640
strategies in here you know from from

1083
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:04,319
some Brilliant Minds about how to do

1084
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,540
that and then like you know another book

1085
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,400
that I've been reading lately is called

1086
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,079
Deep weird this came out just last month

1087
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,900
it's edited by Jackson who I'd love to

1088
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:14,579
get on the show by the way he's an

1089
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:17,880
anthropologist and um and uh Jeff

1090
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:20,640
kreypels in this Sharon Hewitt rowlettes

1091
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,960
in this

1092
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:24,000
um Joshua kutchen who's a really great

1093
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,760
uh writer Anthony Peake all sorts of

1094
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,040
folks and so it's it's called Deep weird

1095
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:31,140
the varieties of high strangeness

1096
00:45:36,730 --> 00:45:33,960
experience and and each each author in

1097
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,740
here is like writing about a different

1098
00:45:42,730 --> 00:45:39,359
aspect so you're talking about

1099
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:42,740
near-death experiences out of body

1100
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:46,440
poltergeists like um uh like high

1101
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:49,980
strangers Founders in general so you're

1102
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:50,940
so

1103
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:52,020
um

1104
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:54,119
years that's

1105
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:56,760
that's so true like uh find another

1106
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:00,660
tattoo like get out of here and and go

1107
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:02,460
read a book about something that's

1108
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,099
interesting to you with this or you know

1109
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,140
find out about some other aspect that

1110
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,359
that you can connect to or you know that

1111
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:12,000
you want to look for or whatever like

1112
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,200
find

1113
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,260
you need to create a space for you to

1114
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:18,960
find pleasure in the topic and not have

1115
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:21,839
it suck the life out of you right yeah

1116
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,359
because just attaching expectations to

1117
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:26,640
the US government is just not a good

1118
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,160
idea that's terrible that's a terrible

1119
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:32,880
idea yeah or the media or major media

1120
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,300
yeah right and like um and one of the

1121
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:37,920
things that I mean I really really

1122
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,140
enjoyed for example like talking to

1123
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,240
Chris allback last last week yeah

1124
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:44,160
absolutely fantastic partially because

1125
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,380
the guy doesn't do that many interviews

1126
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,240
partially because he's such a bright guy

1127
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:51,119
but you know like a huge part of it is

1128
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,579
just about how much it he's based on

1129
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,800
historical cases and he basically

1130
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:57,960
doesn't pay attention to any case that

1131
00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:00,900
happened after 1947. he just doesn't and

1132
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:02,819
that's that's his whole thing right

1133
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,460
that's awesome and it's awesome it's so

1134
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,260
awesome you know what I mean he and like

1135
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:10,319
he prefers ones before cases from before

1136
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:13,020
we even had flight figured out right he

1137
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:14,640
prefers cases that are pre-write

1138
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,480
brothers

1139
00:47:19,309 --> 00:47:18,000
and I think that's that's amazing you

1140
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:19,319
know what I mean and it's a wonderful

1141
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:22,500
way to like situate your brain into a

1142
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:24,300
space that can where you can kind of

1143
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:26,760
like re-engage with the Wonder and the

1144
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,920
Mystery of the situation rather than

1145
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,960
getting hung up on on like what happened

1146
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:32,640
just last week or what you're

1147
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,560
anticipating next week and in the scene

1148
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,420
or something like that which is what so

1149
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,880
many people in our field you know like

1150
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:41,280
there's a consistent living in the

1151
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,099
present that can be that can burn people

1152
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,040
out pretty pretty easily totally because

1153
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:49,200
it doesn't give you what you need right

1154
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:51,660
like you need the positive thing to

1155
00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:53,460
happen or whatever so much so that

1156
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:55,560
you'll take a wild story from somebody

1157
00:47:58,930 --> 00:47:57,780
who won't put their name on it and

1158
00:48:01,130 --> 00:47:58,940
believe it is real

1159
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:01,140
[Laughter]

1160
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,380
right because you need that so bad but

1161
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:09,950
none of it's easy

1162
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:13,380
um you just watch it watch it but uh

1163
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:15,480
when it becomes unhealthy like you gotta

1164
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:17,220
step away because none of it's going

1165
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:19,500
anywhere right like if we never do a

1166
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:21,900
show again like whatever's happening

1167
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:24,780
right now that'll that'll continue to go

1168
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,089
I'm just saying but uh yeah so

1169
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:39,660
here's a here's a good question are

1170
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,220
there any are there things that you're

1171
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:43,920
excited about this year with three like

1172
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:45,660
that that are coming up this year that

1173
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:49,500
are vaguely related or not to uh to the

1174
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:50,579
field

1175
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:52,980
um that that you're anticipating that

1176
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:55,800
actually you feel positive about rather

1177
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,619
than rather than that like torture of

1178
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:00,480
existential dread that Ross cultart was

1179
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:03,540
talking about yesterday yeah well uh I

1180
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:07,200
look forward to just learning uh more

1181
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:09,300
about you know different kinds of

1182
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:10,859
phenomenons

1183
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:13,260
um and just learning more about the the

1184
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:17,400
people in the space I I prefer to

1185
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:20,040
you know take my time with stuff all

1186
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:23,160
that kind of stuff uh find patterns read

1187
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:25,740
new books like this this latest book

1188
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:28,260
that I that I read

1189
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:28,920
um

1190
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:32,040
was about a fake Alien Invasion you know

1191
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:34,520
and it was written in the 60s

1192
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:36,900
by a guy who had a lot to do with

1193
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,900
anti-gravity and all that so that's a

1194
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:41,880
good book I want to finish uh Jacques

1195
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:43,619
Valley's book so all the stuff I get

1196
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:46,920
excited about is just a self education

1197
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,540
you know

1198
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:51,359
um and wherever my interest goes I'm

1199
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:52,740
looking forward to starting a softball

1200
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:55,859
team called the flying saucers so uh

1201
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:58,380
that sounds amazing

1202
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,119
that's wait is that something that

1203
00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:02,160
you're actually doing or I would like to

1204
00:50:06,829 --> 00:50:04,140
yeah I've played softball every year but

1205
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:06,839
when kova did I stopped so

1206
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:08,339
um but I want to start up again because

1207
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:10,619
it made me really happy so

1208
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,940
you know

1209
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,400
um none of my happiness is going to be

1210
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:16,800
attached to a government disclosure I'll

1211
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:19,140
tell you that much yeah I'll tell you

1212
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:21,420
that much right now

1213
00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:23,220
um and

1214
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:25,800
um so you know and continuing I get most

1215
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:26,940
excited

1216
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:30,060
about doing shows like this whether it

1217
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:33,660
be with you or a guest or doing like a

1218
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:38,220
uh you know a document show or whatever

1219
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:41,099
um that's what I get excited about doing

1220
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:41,940
um

1221
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:43,740
because that's for my happiness is my

1222
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:45,240
happiness isn't

1223
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:48,420
you know if we get another comment from

1224
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,559
Marco Rubio or or whatever about how UAP

1225
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:54,960
some are pretty wacky weird stuff you

1226
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:55,800
know

1227
00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:00,240
second of all it's really hard for me to

1228
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:03,300
take anything at face value when when um

1229
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:05,160
there's so much [\h__\h] going on in the

1230
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:07,319
world you know and and who knows what

1231
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:08,819
people's intentions are and why things

1232
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:09,960
are happening

1233
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:12,420
so

1234
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,740
um that's what I get excited about what

1235
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,720
about you oh I I mean you have contact

1236
00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:17,400
in the desert but you're going to be

1237
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:19,319
speaking and doing that it sounds pretty

1238
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:22,440
cool oh yeah I'm really I am I am really

1239
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:24,780
excited about contact there's a few yeah

1240
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,460
there are a few opportunities to hang

1241
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:28,079
out I mean there's there's one that

1242
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:30,420
hasn't been announced yet that I'm that

1243
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:31,980
I'm really looking forward to that has

1244
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:34,020
actually been like

1245
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,040
um

1246
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:37,500
it's been really exciting for a lot of

1247
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,819
different reasons and it's also been

1248
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:40,800
like really headache inducing for myself

1249
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:43,380
like a lot of headaches involved with it

1250
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:45,540
um and you know some nights where I

1251
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:49,020
didn't really sleep but uh on top of

1252
00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:51,960
that you know in May we've got this like

1253
00:51:59,210 --> 00:51:56,099
UFO Heritage Festival that um that Kelly

1254
00:52:01,569 --> 00:51:59,220
Chase really spearheaded Kelly Chase

1255
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:01,579
from UFO rabbit hole

1256
00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:04,440
right at Wright-Patterson yeah and it's

1257
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:06,420
actually yeah and so it's at the Hope

1258
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:09,180
Hotel which is inside the first Gates of

1259
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,980
of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base which

1260
00:52:16,930 --> 00:52:12,720
is crazy

1261
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:16,940
um but um uh and so you know

1262
00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:20,400
uh that one is going to be it's a

1263
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:22,859
two-day Fest and it's it's a two-day

1264
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,559
conference and it's um near the

1265
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:27,839
beginning of May well maybe I'll put a

1266
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,660
link in in the chat but that one is uh

1267
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:33,839
uh Diana pasoka is going to be there and

1268
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:35,880
and Micah Hanks is going to be there

1269
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:39,000
from the debrief and James Fox I really

1270
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:40,680
like James Fox I got to hang out with

1271
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,180
him for the first time in November and

1272
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,160
he was great seemed like a really nice

1273
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:47,280
person he really really is

1274
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:51,359
um and uh uh EXO academian Darren King

1275
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:54,059
Darren's gonna be there and uh Kelly

1276
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,760
myself uh I feel like I'm missing

1277
00:53:00,650 --> 00:52:58,380
somebody who am I missing

1278
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:00,660
um oh Bryce Sable Bryce Sable is going

1279
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:04,079
to be there too cool um nice and uh and

1280
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:05,640
so I'm really looking forward to hanging

1281
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,380
out with folks then I think it'll be

1282
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:09,480
dope I I really enjoyed hanging out with

1283
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:11,579
Darren when he did our conference in

1284
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:12,900
October

1285
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:15,059
the conference of New York that James

1286
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,400
and I organized he's a he's a big

1287
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:19,440
disclosures coming watch it unravel

1288
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,800
person I've noticed Darren yeah yeah I

1289
00:53:25,549 --> 00:53:23,760
don't want to get into talking about

1290
00:53:30,970 --> 00:53:25,559
other people but like I just see that

1291
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,430
and give me the Intel please

1292
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:36,000
I thought about Darren I appreciate that

1293
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,380
Darren both talks about kind of like

1294
00:53:42,049 --> 00:53:40,020
Consciousness related issues and like

1295
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:42,059
perception and things like that and then

1296
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:44,339
he'll go over and like go way out on the

1297
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:47,339
limb about about what's coming up you

1298
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,260
know I think that you know it it takes

1299
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:52,260
all kinds in the field and I'm glad that

1300
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:53,940
some people kind of throw themselves

1301
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:56,640
onto the fire like that way you know

1302
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:58,500
what I mean sure you know Darren's kind

1303
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:00,660
of like a a more

1304
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:03,420
a more kind of button-down

1305
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,339
some in some ways he's a much more

1306
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,960
buttoned down version of like Jeremy

1307
00:54:11,809 --> 00:54:09,180
Corbell he'd hate that I said that but

1308
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:11,819
like but like and then both of them get

1309
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:13,319
really really excited about stuff that's

1310
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,059
right around the corner and they can't

1311
00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:17,040
help but like talk to you about it all

1312
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:21,059
the time and um and you know sometimes

1313
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:22,920
sometimes you want to hear that from

1314
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:25,260
like a guy who's in his 50s that lives

1315
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:27,300
in the woods in North Carolina and

1316
00:54:30,589 --> 00:54:29,099
sometimes you know sometimes some people

1317
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:30,599
want to hear about it from George Knapp

1318
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,460
or Jeremy or something like that and

1319
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:34,319
like I didn't understand that or Kelly

1320
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:36,839
you know what I mean but um but you know

1321
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,480
Kelly Kelly usually is a little bit more

1322
00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:41,400
grounded and safe about what she talks

1323
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,559
about you prefer to be I generally

1324
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:45,359
prefer to be as well it's just you know

1325
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:46,800
Different Strokes for different folks in

1326
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:48,839
a lot of ways right yeah

1327
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:52,440
um so yeah I'll just go about what like

1328
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,540
what I can say with confidence and and

1329
00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:56,880
no you know so

1330
00:55:02,450 --> 00:55:00,900
it's you know it's it's

1331
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:02,460
you know there's always this push and

1332
00:55:07,309 --> 00:55:04,980
pull where I feel like people want you

1333
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,319
to almost like take a side like or you

1334
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:09,359
have to take a side you're either a

1335
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:10,619
bunker

1336
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:13,980
or you're a disclosure Advocate which

1337
00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:18,420
one is it like right yeah and that's it

1338
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:20,819
you know yeah I'm looking for a

1339
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,520
disclosure are you a Believer or are you

1340
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:26,099
yeah right yeah I think a lot of things

1341
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:27,900
are [\h__\h] but I think there's a

1342
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,420
reality to it I'm all for a disclosure

1343
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:32,400
but I'm not gonna devote my life to it

1344
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,640
you know yeah I mean and I think that I

1345
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:38,400
I think that like a lot of things in

1346
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:42,240
life there there's more than one X Y

1347
00:55:46,730 --> 00:55:44,460
axis for for how you can look at the

1348
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,740
field right

1349
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:48,720
um in terms of like

1350
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:52,140
whether you're an experiencer like

1351
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:55,500
and the severity or like the or like how

1352
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:57,059
much that's impacted your life or

1353
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,260
something like that you know what I mean

1354
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:00,000
somebody could be like oh I saw One

1355
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,460
Thing Once In The Sky it zipped away you

1356
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,500
know a stable and then zipped away and

1357
00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:06,480
that changed my life and then there'll

1358
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:08,579
be somebody else that's like oh I'm like

1359
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,880
plagued by precognitive visions and you

1360
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:13,619
know what I mean and so you know you can

1361
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:15,720
make an X Y axis about that you can make

1362
00:56:19,809 --> 00:56:18,180
an you know there you could make an X Y

1363
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:19,819
axis about like

1364
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:23,220
you know how do you ingest information

1365
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,240
about this stuff is it all intuition is

1366
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:29,040
it all grounded in academic research

1367
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:30,300
there's so many different ways that you

1368
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:32,700
can do that but yeah I feel that you

1369
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:34,680
know there are there are different ways

1370
00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:36,420
to like play into the hands of people

1371
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:39,540
that are not that don't necessarily have

1372
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:42,180
our best interests at heart and I think

1373
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:45,420
one of the ways to not play into those

1374
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:49,619
hands is to not is is to disregard

1375
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:51,480
arguments about Believers versus

1376
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:54,059
Skeptics yeah because because like

1377
00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:56,520
you're setting up two

1378
00:57:02,089 --> 00:56:58,940
you're setting up like a cartoon

1379
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,099
caricature of like any one particular

1380
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:04,319
person even

1381
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:07,140
the Skeptics because like you're making

1382
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:09,720
Skeptics out to beat of one variety

1383
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:12,300
which is not entirely true and you're

1384
00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:16,200
also making Believers into a thing right

1385
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:21,300
yeah and and that like not anyone that's

1386
00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:23,460
it's like believe believe in what

1387
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:35,270
yeah you believe that your belt buckle

1388
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:37,079
is real don't you so are you a Believer

1389
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:38,839
yeah

1390
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:41,160
and and I mean and there's so many

1391
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,599
different layers to these questions

1392
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,119
right because you could you know do you

1393
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:46,559
believe

1394
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,359
all that there's a Consciousness field

1395
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:53,280
you could go that you know there's so

1396
00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:54,900
many different ways that you can like

1397
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:57,300
are we living in a simulation like or

1398
00:58:01,870 --> 00:57:59,400
you know like um

1399
00:58:04,910 --> 00:58:01,880
you know

1400
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,920
what oh yeah it's endless like like

1401
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:06,720
where are the boundaries of space like

1402
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:09,420
like are do you believe that we're we're

1403
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,480
in a simulation or are we like hurtling

1404
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:14,640
on a ball through the vastness of space

1405
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,760
or both right I mean there's so many

1406
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,160
different ways you can go oh no now I'm

1407
00:58:26,349 --> 00:58:22,920
pissed off we have a we have a belt

1408
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:29,450
oh man I know Victor Victor's a great

1409
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:32,280
guy I like the girl it's great to see

1410
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,700
you Victor uh Victor's a magnificent uh

1411
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:37,440
yeah and he's got a and he's got a great

1412
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:39,720
sense of humor yeah I'm an adult

1413
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:41,700
believer because I have to be like I

1414
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,220
don't right like I don't have the waste

1415
00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:46,319
to not be a I don't have the convenience

1416
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:49,500
of being able to be at Belton miles

1417
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,619
one that one thing that uh uh well many

1418
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,599
things but the one thing that uh George

1419
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:56,400
and epic said to me or not said to me

1420
00:59:02,089 --> 00:58:58,980
but has said once before that has stayed

1421
00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:02,099
with me throughout my my journey here is

1422
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,000
this is supposed to be fun right yeah

1423
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:07,680
this is supposed to be fun and and when

1424
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:09,960
it gets too off track of that and it

1425
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,559
gets too serious like it's dangerous so

1426
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,599
I think we all

1427
00:59:20,049 --> 00:59:17,520
um I hate seeing like we or whatever but

1428
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:20,059
if if you find yourself in this category

1429
00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:23,880
uh be mindful of of of that and don't

1430
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:27,059
take this all too seriously because it's

1431
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:28,680
going to be detrimental to your mental

1432
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:30,780
health I see some people say some pretty

1433
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:33,599
scary stuff on Twitter sometimes like we

1434
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:36,359
we gotta get rid of this guy or or you

1435
00:59:41,630 --> 00:59:39,119
know just like really

1436
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:41,640
stuff that could go bad quick like

1437
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:43,740
people could take this way too serious

1438
00:59:49,010 --> 00:59:46,140
you know and it could it could end up in

1439
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,020
in a weird place and you know so people

1440
00:59:54,770 --> 00:59:51,359
just need to breathe give each other

1441
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:54,780
room to think through their thoughts

1442
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:57,540
allow people the ability to change their

1443
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,059
mind you know

1444
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,880
um all that kind of stuff so

1445
01:00:07,010 --> 01:00:04,559
but yeah

1446
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:07,020
yeah that's all I got man

1447
01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:10,260
I 100 agree with you but yeah I'm uh

1448
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:11,579
back to what are we looking forward to

1449
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,880
I'm looking forward to you I'm looking

1450
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,559
forward to your softball team I'm

1451
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:18,240
looking forward to like I don't know

1452
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:20,099
like it'd be great to see you sometime

1453
01:00:24,289 --> 01:00:21,720
this year I got to see you once last

1454
01:00:26,089 --> 01:00:24,299
time Sean came out to New York City

1455
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,099
um

1456
01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:29,040
I think I'm down uh either

1457
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,200
um

1458
01:00:36,109 --> 01:00:33,359
uh I'd like to go to either the thing in

1459
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:36,119
marazo or contact in the desert I think

1460
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:37,680
I'm down to one of those two I gotta

1461
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,799
pick one so oh that'd be so fun contact

1462
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:43,200
in the desert's gonna be so dope first

1463
01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:48,900
of all hey give me your pitch okay like

1464
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:51,960
a okay a there's so many speakers

1465
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,579
there's like I think there's like 50

1466
01:00:58,250 --> 01:00:56,160
they're up to like 58 or 59 or something

1467
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:58,260
like that which is crazy okay it's it's

1468
01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:59,940
over three days it's basically three and

1469
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:01,319
a half days actually

1470
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:04,859
I'm doing a talk at least once a day the

1471
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,140
one thing is that like most speakers are

1472
01:01:11,569 --> 01:01:08,880
going to be doing like more than one

1473
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,579
thing and there's there's at least three

1474
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,160
talks happening simultaneously at all

1475
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,799
times and so like the other thing is

1476
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,720
it's happening in Indian Wells which is

1477
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:20,160
kind of like right next to Palm Springs

1478
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:22,440
and so it's like a really it's a

1479
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:24,660
beautiful area of the country it's it

1480
01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:26,700
there's essentially like two kind of

1481
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:28,200
resort hotels right next to each other

1482
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,180
and so if you get sick of listening to

1483
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:33,119
like listening to like me or like

1484
01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:35,160
Russell targ who's going to be there or

1485
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:37,140
Graham Hancock who's going to be there

1486
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:39,240
or like any of the other wonderful

1487
01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:40,980
people that are going to be there

1488
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:42,599
um then you know you could always go

1489
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:44,700
take a dip in the pool or like there's

1490
01:01:48,650 --> 01:01:46,619
gonna be like a ton of situations for

1491
01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:48,660
like hanging out with cool you know

1492
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,540
folks like us and uh I'm really psyched

1493
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:53,280
oh speaking of like cool people that are

1494
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:57,240
hanging out um uh guess who I helped I I

1495
01:02:02,329 --> 01:02:00,119
um I was kind of like a middleman for a

1496
01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:02,339
little bit like I I won't too many names

1497
01:02:07,250 --> 01:02:05,700
but one of the one of the organizers was

1498
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:07,260
trying to get in touch with Sean Cahill

1499
01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:10,680
right and so I you know I I went back

1500
01:02:14,809 --> 01:02:12,660
and I talked to Sean and then I went

1501
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:14,819
back and I talked to them and like I

1502
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:16,140
won't even talk to me he's talking to

1503
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:20,940
you now yeah sure oh no no Sean I'll

1504
01:02:26,329 --> 01:02:24,960
talk to you like um but like he um and

1505
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:26,339
uh now he's going to be going to contact

1506
01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:29,400
in the desert and so like yeah but it

1507
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:32,220
rules because like you know it was just

1508
01:02:35,329 --> 01:02:33,660
like I was like caught in the middle of

1509
01:02:37,789 --> 01:02:35,339
this situation but it turned into a

1510
01:02:39,650 --> 01:02:37,799
situation where like somebody that I

1511
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:39,660
like I've been talking to recently and

1512
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,640
is you know you know it's always cool

1513
01:02:45,530 --> 01:02:43,680
when you when you like have find a new

1514
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:45,540
friend and then you realize like oh oh

1515
01:02:48,289 --> 01:02:46,980
shoot like the new friend's gonna be

1516
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:48,299
hanging out with me

1517
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:49,859
you know what I mean it's like us last

1518
01:02:55,010 --> 01:02:52,619
year in New York City like and like I

1519
01:02:56,690 --> 01:02:55,020
want to do that again dude if you made

1520
01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:56,700
enough contact in the desert and we got

1521
01:03:01,930 --> 01:02:58,140
to do a bunch of cannonballs in the pool

1522
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,940
together oh my God that would be so fun

1523
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:04,319
I think that's the one I would do

1524
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:08,640
because in New Mexico that's in July in

1525
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:11,040
like that's not a 20 degree temperature

1526
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,760
no thanks man I hate that yeah so it

1527
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:16,559
sounds like it'd be quite beautiful in

1528
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:18,839
Palm Springs in early June so

1529
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,140
yeah it'll be so fun man it'll be so fun

1530
01:03:25,490 --> 01:03:24,000
you got to do it man I mean you don't

1531
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:25,500
have to do anything but it'll be fun

1532
01:03:30,289 --> 01:03:28,260
yeah well I want to do one of them so

1533
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,299
and I've never been to one of these

1534
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,119
conference things so oh holy crap it'll

1535
01:03:37,069 --> 01:03:35,280
be so crazy man I mean you could always

1536
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:37,079
just drive down to Ohio and do that one

1537
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:39,720
but why not go like totally like yeah

1538
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:46,250
I live in Wisconsin I don't need to go

1539
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:49,500
to uh yeah I mean you like yeah and

1540
01:03:53,930 --> 01:03:52,500
there's and um I I just think it's good

1541
01:03:56,510 --> 01:03:53,940
it's going to be a really fun time I'm

1542
01:03:59,329 --> 01:03:56,520
really looking forward to it I like it

1543
01:04:02,089 --> 01:03:59,339
there there are kind of um there are a

1544
01:04:04,370 --> 01:04:02,099
couple new people that are are working

1545
01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:04,380
on contacting the desert it used to be

1546
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:06,900
you know like always somewhat grounded

1547
01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:08,460
like valet would go there and things

1548
01:04:13,010 --> 01:04:10,200
like that but then you'd have some real

1549
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:13,020
kind of like way out left field like um

1550
01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:16,440
folks like who you know were channeling

1551
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:17,880
the Pleiadians or something like that

1552
01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:20,040
and they're trying to and the new

1553
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,260
organizers are trying to pull it are

1554
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:24,000
pulling it into like a more grounded

1555
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:25,799
place you know or like that's what

1556
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,140
they're trying to do and so you know you

1557
01:04:32,329 --> 01:04:30,240
can already see that with the lineup Now

1558
01:04:34,250 --> 01:04:32,339
versus the lineup that happened last

1559
01:04:36,349 --> 01:04:34,260
time they that it physically happened

1560
01:04:37,849 --> 01:04:36,359
before covid and I think that that's

1561
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:37,859
going to happen more in the future and

1562
01:04:41,569 --> 01:04:40,319
just like and it's the biggest one man

1563
01:04:44,329 --> 01:04:41,579
it's the biggest one out there it's

1564
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:44,339
going to be a blast yeah yeah well that

1565
01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:48,000
was where do I signed a contract written

1566
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,000
up or should he email it to me yeah yeah

1567
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:53,280
so so we got through what we could here

1568
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,980
as you know sorry if we were a bit ranty

1569
01:05:00,530 --> 01:04:57,680
or whatever and

1570
01:05:03,230 --> 01:05:00,540
I think it's good to just be honest and

1571
01:05:06,289 --> 01:05:03,240
have real life conversations and I agree

1572
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,299
not sugarcoat things or whatever pretend

1573
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:08,640
things don't exist or do exist I think

1574
01:05:16,690 --> 01:05:10,440
it's just be honest with where we're at

1575
01:05:22,010 --> 01:05:19,789
we have to be honest with this stuff

1576
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,020
um you want to kick it or anything else

1577
01:05:26,450 --> 01:05:24,480
you want to talk about well let's just

1578
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,460
say Let's uh Hey like next week let's

1579
01:05:31,490 --> 01:05:28,559
let's do like a let's tell you let's do

1580
01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:31,500
a super fun show that's just true yeah

1581
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:34,140
like um maybe maybe we have a guest or

1582
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,900
maybe we can maybe you remember how a

1583
01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:38,880
while back we could do you know what I

1584
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:40,740
haven't done in a while which which we

1585
01:05:46,690 --> 01:05:44,160
could we could always do

1586
01:05:52,030 --> 01:05:46,700
um and do this together which would be

1587
01:05:57,530 --> 01:05:54,710
yeah we could do what the heck is that

1588
01:05:59,809 --> 01:05:57,540
um we had we've done some we've had some

1589
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,819
great ones where you know we both come

1590
01:06:03,289 --> 01:06:01,680
with some old classic cases and we do

1591
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:03,299
some classic races that could be super

1592
01:06:09,170 --> 01:06:07,319
fun too yeah yeah yeah cool and let's

1593
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:09,180
get let's do that again that sounds

1594
01:06:12,589 --> 01:06:10,680
great

1595
01:06:14,930 --> 01:06:12,599
um but if for those watching out there

1596
01:06:17,329 --> 01:06:14,940
don't rely on me for the positive vibes

1597
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,339
okay that is gonna be just as bad a

1598
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,200
mistake as relying on the government for

1599
01:06:24,289 --> 01:06:21,440
disclosure all right

1600
01:06:26,569 --> 01:06:24,299
I'm not the type

1601
01:06:30,430 --> 01:06:26,579
tomorrow I mean next week it's gonna

1602
01:06:36,589 --> 01:06:33,230
it's gonna be incredible next we can put

1603
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:36,599
on a face for an hour yeah yeah

1604
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:38,760
oh man I'm like I'm gonna be preparing

1605
01:06:42,049 --> 01:06:40,680
the whole day I'm gonna you know it'll

1606
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:42,059
be great I'm looking forward to it

1607
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:43,980
thanks to everybody in the chat Chris

1608
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:48,000
Kaufman water lily Victor sunsaver sorry

1609
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:49,980
for the things we didn't talk about I

1610
01:06:56,029 --> 01:06:52,500
put the links in the description like uh

1611
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,039
a new nightcap 2.0 is come

1612
01:07:00,670 --> 01:06:58,319
uh through Ryan Graves and a new

1613
01:07:04,430 --> 01:07:00,680
advocacy

1614
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,440
um check out those are great articles

1615
01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:06,720
check them out so so read them you know

1616
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,980
and you don't have to listen to me

1617
01:07:13,130 --> 01:07:10,160
banter anymore so

1618
01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:13,140
right on wonderful thank you all so much

1619
01:07:23,809 --> 01:07:20,390
oh that's nice

1620
01:07:26,690 --> 01:07:23,819
good one Shaq cool yeah

1621
01:07:28,490 --> 01:07:26,700
I'm imagining uh first of all it's not

1622
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:28,500
I'm imagining Shaq like Shaquille O'Neal

1623
01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:32,160
right Shaq yeah sure which reminds me of

1624
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:34,140
one situation can I tell you it

1625
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:35,760
um before we get out of here

1626
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:38,640
um I uh this was this happened I think

1627
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:40,440
it was with my friend Zab okay I've got

1628
01:07:44,809 --> 01:07:42,660
this friends of uh huge directs music

1629
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,819
videos for a living he's a great guy and

1630
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,280
uh he was talking about um how he saw

1631
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:49,200
Shaq at the mall once when he was a kid

1632
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,200
okay oh well right and and you know

1633
01:07:56,510 --> 01:07:54,720
basically you know there was an ERA

1634
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,520
maybe it still exists for some people

1635
01:08:02,029 --> 01:07:59,280
where this guy is basically like you

1636
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,039
know like Santa Claus and the Easter

1637
01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:04,079
Bunny rolled into one dude he was like

1638
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:07,380
just at the top of his game back in the

1639
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:08,940
era where this guy was talking about him

1640
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,740
and you know he's just like this

1641
01:08:14,809 --> 01:08:13,200
ginormous dude right he's like one of

1642
01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:14,819
the biggest basketball players ever like

1643
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:18,120
physically and um and I was like I was

1644
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:20,160
like well what was what was he doing man

1645
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,160
do you remember Orange Julius is do you

1646
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,960
remember Orange oh yeah there's this

1647
01:08:27,950 --> 01:08:26,400
there's a small brand I don't know if

1648
01:08:29,209 --> 01:08:27,960
they still exist they're like shakes but

1649
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,219
it was like for like it was like

1650
01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:31,440
smoothies but they're all like okay

1651
01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:33,299
Orange Julius and and they're orange and

1652
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,980
it's basically like an orange smoothie

1653
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:37,020
right and they come in these like giant

1654
01:08:42,050 --> 01:08:40,560
or like orange cups and uh and he was

1655
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:42,060
like I don't know man he was just being

1656
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:43,799
Shaq and I was like no but he had to be

1657
01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:45,540
doing something he's like oh now that I

1658
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:46,739
think about it

1659
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,199
he had a giant Orange Julius in each

1660
01:08:52,799 --> 01:09:03,950
where

1661
01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:06,709
um it was in high school and we were me

1662
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:08,339
and two friends were in the back of this

1663
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:11,400
guy's uh rust ass Firebird yeah in the

1664
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:14,040
parking lot and we had worked at Pick n

1665
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:15,960
Save at the time a grocery store so I

1666
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:19,859
was yeah maybe 15 or 16. and we took a

1667
01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:23,160
brick of orange Tic Tacs from

1668
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:25,380
the grocery store and we were pounding

1669
01:09:28,910 --> 01:09:26,819
them in the back of this firebird and

1670
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:28,920
we're

1671
01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:32,040
did that quite a bit Yeah and uh and we

1672
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:33,960
walked through the mall and our mouths

1673
01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:35,880
and we didn't know it but our Mouse and

1674
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:38,040
faces were all like freaking orange and

1675
01:09:42,289 --> 01:09:40,020
[\h__\h] we're all walking through the mall

1676
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:42,299
and I remember asking these guys like

1677
01:09:46,729 --> 01:09:43,920
where the party's at and all this kind

1678
01:09:50,209 --> 01:09:48,169
this stuff's very made me think about my

1679
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:50,219
weird Mall story yeah oh that's

1680
01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:52,920
beautiful I love it it was awesome all

1681
01:09:59,650 --> 01:09:54,660
right maybe next week we can do more

1682
01:10:05,410 --> 01:10:01,669
embarrassing my wife would have a lot

1683
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:05,420
yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

1684
01:10:10,990 --> 01:10:08,880
all right cool man well uh wonderful to

1685
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:11,000
see you today

1686
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:14,840
and uh we'll see you next week all right

1687
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:18,239
love you too buddy talk to you soon

1688
01:10:23,530 --> 01:10:28,250
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